Quote（INYOU 引用） is should be minimum. And must write the source URL. If blog readers want to read all, they go to source pages. If they do, 2ch get newcomers and blog readers understand it is 2ch's contents. But , Afikas don't do so. They reproduct all of contents and they behave as if it is their original contents. It is NOT quote(INYOU,引用) and NOT Fair-Use.
Log site-Style And Matome style are deviates from the Fair-Use. They steal newcomer to 2ch and they behave as if it is their original contents. It is NOT Fair regardless of there are some Ads or there aren't. If Wiki set some Ads and making money , it is NOT Fair-Use.
そもそもフェアユースの解釈とは何か I wonder the interpretation of" fair use" of reproduction logs. Let me know the example please.
besides so many Free blog or web site offer Ad automatically if you use them can't be deney.in such case, would it be regard for commercial use of logs?
法解釈はどうでも今のところニュース記事の著作権者から2ｃｈに記事転載の苦情は来ていない ある新聞社が社内から２ｃｈへのアクセス禁止になったときに 苦情が出たくらいなので、持ちつ持たれつの関係と黙認されている のだと思う。 if you interpret the copyright law narrowly in such way,as>>53 there's few complain from copyright holder of the News+ sled 1 article as long as I know. I remind myself once upon a time,one of huge paper corp banned access to 2ch from their console inside of their company reporter and editor upset for the decision so that unable to get collective folks opinion of 2ch . soon the access to 2ch recovered. that's why paper and news corp are negative for appealing to eliminate reproduction of their article which is reprinted in 2ch. I guess.
こんにちはJimさん。 アフィリエイトによる収益を目的とした2chまとめサイト（俗に言う"アフィカス"）の一つである「ダンガンロンパまとめ」 というサイトが2chの内容を無断転載し、このように言っています。 「このサイトの権利は2chが有する」 「サイト内の記事の権利は2chが有する」 「"転載禁止"と記載してあるものは2ch.net All Rights Reservedと書き換える」 「なので、今後も(転載禁止を無視して）転載を強行する」 ということなのですが、2chがこのブログの権利を有しているという事をあなたは知っていましたか？ また、権利を2chに譲渡すれば転載は可能なのでしょうか？ ちなみに、このブログの管理人はアンテナサイトを利用しアフィリエイト収入を得ています。
追記 このブログの管理人は「Jim氏からの要請は全て受け入れる」と言っています。
Hello Jim. "ダンガンロンパまとめ" is one of the blog for the purpose of the profit using the affiliate(commonly referred to as "Afikasu") This blog reproduces contents of 2ch without permission. Manager of this blog says in this way. "2ch has the right of this blog" "2ch has the right of contents in the blog" "The thing that "転載禁止" is written is renew it "2ch.net All Rights Reserved"" "So,I continue to perform reproduction from 2ch in defiance of reproduction prohibition" Did you know that this blog transferred a right to 2ch? And,Is the reproduction possible if he transfer the right to 2ch? By the way , manager of this blog gets the profit by the affiliate.
P.S. Manager of this blog says "accept all requests from you".
The critical point of current controversy, that has landfilled up threads, is:
■ Wether 2 channel will take countermeasures against existing Matome affi-blogs that have abused 2 channel's properties, ■ or will continue giving them silent approval of unauthorised uses of 2 channel's properties.
"Existing Matome affi-blogs" here mean the websites depicted in following figure: 3本 ->画像>10枚 ' border=no />
As you may know, a lot of Matome affi-blogs have not stopped copyright abuses even after putting "Prohibition of Reprinting" and "All Rights Reserved" on the names and the top page.
Those Matome affi-bloggers' claims are basically as follows:
1. Jim has never intended to stop existing Matome affi-blogs to use 2 channel properties. 2. By contraries, Jim is encouraging existing Matome affi-blogs. 3. The way existing Matome affi-blogs have been doing is deserve to be what Jim calls "Fair Use". 4. KENMO tricked Jim into putting "転載禁止 (Prohibition of Reprinting)" on the names against his will. (So that the prohibition is no longer effective.) 5. Thus, existing Matome affi-blogs are eligible to use 2 channel's properties as before.
Could you kindly tell us your direction for this issue?
I understand that it'll be unwanted and open-ended task for you to give a decision to each question about fair use. But your single statement for this issue will solve most of current controversy about affi-blogs, and rescue this thread from landfilling. Your cooperation will be highly appreciated.
well let think about give and take. In case of reprinting News article from News corp as you seen at news+ board. both 2ch and news corp have got reward form that. The news corps could hear the raw voice of people directly on 2ch .they can collect the reaction without research cost. on the other hand, Aficus site what the hell they contribute to 2ch instead of stealing logs and writing of 2ch? I wonder this would be unpleasant feeling of 2ch user against Aficus matome site.
We are trying to delete some Matome-posts (Reproduction from 2ch threads) in Afikas's blog . We reported it to blog-masters,companies and some Ads company from E-mail form . But , blog space masters (or companies ) were reluctant to do it. I guess that Afikas blogs are source of big profits and they don't want to loss many profits. Can't you set up a representatives of 転載禁止 report ? If reports are from representatives , Afikas-blog may delete their posts. I think that representatives should be Japanese volunteer. Of course , who understand fair use. How do you think it ?
>>104 Yes ,of course. We are KENMO users. And , we have been trying to delete it since KENMO was born. I'll tell this idea to Jack-san. Thank you Jim-san. I hope your job will go well !
>>85 Iron-scrap-san, I made a statement and posted on the news board. The last few lines contain the information you are talking about. Summary:
The nature of the work and the amount you borrow are important considerations. If there is a commercial impact, then that is definitely not fair use. It is my intention to enforce the rights of 2ch where the commercial impact has resulted in the near bankruptcy of the infrastructure that cares so much for 2ch.
However, there is the possibility that representatives get a bribe from affinias and tolerate them. Some Kenmo-men warned about it. Please be careful in choosing representatives.
Read that comment, thank you for your great effort to make 2 channel better.
Meanwhile I have a question, what do you mean by "commercial impact" here? How do you think if Affi-bloggers claim "there is no commercial impact though we are doing commercial activity"?
>>109115 They are a fine bunch of guys. Jack-san is very severe in his selection. You will also need to be stable and have the ability to make good common sense decisions.
Hi, Jim-san. There is a proposal for MATOME site. Hiroyuki had got the money from MATOME site. http://web.archive.org/web/20140208010143/http://www.2ch.net/matomesites.html This is a cache of the page of 2ch.
Mechanism is as follows. MATOME site administrator registered in the member of NICONICODAIHYAKKA. It costs $ 5 to member registration. MATOME site administrator is creating an article to introduce your site. Permission of reproduction of 2ch will be given after this procedure. Hiroyuki is a company of officers NICONICODAIHYAKKA.
I propose a scheme Jim-san also take money from MATOME site. For example, granting permission to reproduction the person who bought the RONIN. I hope the coexistence of MATOME site and 2ch.
Read that comment, thank you for your great effort to make 2 channel better.
Meanwhile I have a question, what do you mean by "commercial impact" here? How do you think if Affi-bloggers claim "there is no commercial impact though we are doing commercial activity"?
It is currently believed that reprinting from News corp at News+ article doesn't get the copyright holder mad. the reason is that I refer to >>72 . Many news corp fear the situation that they are banned from 2ch in return for appealing delete of article. Now the ball has the copyright holder under the Sinkokuzai offense subject to prosecution only on complaint (from the victim)
>>99 What do the numbers mean? Numbers of posts per day for each boards? I think there are many factors that affect the server stability. Such as numbers of new threads per minute, maximum numbers of posts per second, and so on. No one could know the result before you had done so.
>>142 Hiroyuki is dead dog .he is not represent 2ch anymore. besides the note declare ban of reprinting reproduction of logs for reward .thought it doesn't effect anymore.
>>169 I have not talked to Siberia yet. I am happy to talk to the Siberian's Please make a thread for me there. We can move the discussion for the new server, and SETTING.TXT changes there.
Meaning of Afikasu is a disparaging name like JAP. They are summary blogger from source of 2ch. They using service of blog or wiki with ad network,but It do not matter. and Necessary cut part from issue Copyright.
Meaning of 嫌儲 KENMO is hate the profit. They are NEET. They will not pay tax and dont work. Afikasu will pay tax for society. and most school girls and student likes Summary blog in Japan. this is important point.
>>162 Mastiff.2ch is still my pick too. It's going to be our guardian that watches out and protects us from those stinky crawlers. Sorry, Siberia is way too far to fly to.
>>361 I agree. High reliability/stability is required for disaster information boards, for example, bbynamazu, namazuplus, eq, eqplus, and lifiline. It would be preferable for them to be separated with live* boards.
Hola! Jim-san. We've been discussing to display ID and prefecture(as Anti-Troll system) in some board since over 5 years ago. 5年以上前からとある板でID表示と、荒らし対策のための県名表示について議論してきました。 Will you accept the proposal to display prefecture or ISP like the news board(ニュース速報)? Jimさんは県名表示の申請があった場合、IDと同じように設定変更してくれるんでしょうか？
We would like to change the SETTING: BBS_JP_CHECK=(none) ↓ BBS_JP_CHECK=200
379 名前：Grape Ape ★[] 投稿日：2014/03/23(日) 15:38:44.25 ID:???0 Don't be mistaken. It is a CAP for volunteer, it is not an editor CAP. ↓ おいおい勘違いするなよｗ おいら（ジム）がさっき言ったのは削除人ボラのキャップ スレ立て記者のキャップじゃねーよｗｗｗ
実況禁止の板での実況がやりたい放題になっているのをなんとかして欲しいです。 止める人がいないせいで報告スレが機能していません。 (There are many transgressors of the rule that prohibits running commentary. The thread to report on the transgressor does not function. )
>>379 There was the history that lots of capped volunteers tourcherd Kenmou board for long time. They tended to think themselves as privilegentsia and did not listen to users.
Kenmou guys are deeply concerned about those who get cap behave arrogantly.
I personally think it might be a good idea to issue caps for vicious bloggers that forge a special pact with ad agents and hosting companies.
>>417 I don't think they stopped. I made a very clear post on a news thread. Now they are acting like lawyers dissecting that. Generally, if you have to ask then you already know it is not in the best interest of 2ch. You are asking for permission to damage 2ch. I use quotes all the time. I don't ask before I quote. I have never had anyone complain. There is limited intelligence in the population that can only copy and paste. They can not be reasoned with. They only rationalize from their small view of the world.
Good evening Jim. I think the Afi problems are getting better little by little anyway. It's good you seem to be enjoying to post what you want to say in Siberia. Take care.
I don't think Jim made a security hole or any of that type. It's Afikasu's problem that they're digging holes illegally and also digging holes for their coffins. I'm certain that Jim made a good decision about putting reproduction prohibited on 2ch's top page. He's doing fine against those annoying complainers.
>>420 Thx. I take your point completely but it would be much better to post on 2ch front page as the public announcement against all suckers.
If there is no statement on the page, they will say they can not find it! They found the post that jim said it might be ok for reproduction. That is what is going on now.
Japanese culture is not familiar with direct, indirect quatation, reprinting and fair use unlike english spoken countries.
>>426 I am not posting that. That is the sort of short term thinking and greed that got us all into this. Better, to just get back on our feet and see if we can pay the bills with what we have.
>>431 Even you...;) I heard you quacking loudly when I first mentioned this for poverty and anarchy. It is not for news reporter it is for volunteering.
>>430 Jim, You need to summarise your thought for all 2chers and others. I know it's difficult to make a final and clear decision so far. Just put actual states. You can change if you would seeing as not issueing a decision.
This avoids FAQs.
hey, jim can you ask A? can you tell me A" I can't find answer A yet. Where is your answer? when did you answer? how? ARRRRGH!!! I ANSWERD at news thread where? when? weeeeeee Did you?
>>448 muchas gracias!!! This explanation is a bit long for non native speakers to understand but I'm just relieved by reading your post. need to put this post on your 2ch front page. That will stop a bunch of FAQ attacks.
483 ：● xerxes.maido3.net＠Grape Ape ★＠転載禁止：2014/03/21(金) 14:42:42.45 ID:???0 >>207 2ch is in a unique position in Japan, and the rest of the world. The founder had good reason to select the United States as the "home" of 2ch. The laws on freedom of speech are strong and supported at all levels of the government. What 2ch does is important. It is as important as the bell that Martin Luther King Jr. spoke ringing from every mountain top and molehill. This board is an important news source. News reporting is protected. Especially when there is critical comment. These things are part of the wonder of 2ch. It is the reason I have been so proud to be involved with 2ch for so long.
Other boards are full of parody. satire and parody is an important part of our social consciousness. Pointing out those flaws and faults in the thinking and social works of the world. Sometimes shocking, sometimes hilarious, satire and parody are important and protected by law.
Don't let insidious people with their own self interests trick you into thinking anything other than the fact is 2ch is one of the most important resources on earth for humanity. What you do here is protected by strong laws, and international convention.
The nature of the work and the amount you borrow are important considerations. If there is a commercial impact, then that is definitely not fair use. It is my intention to enforce the rights of 2ch where the commercial impact has resulted in the near bankruptcy of the infrastructure that cares so much for 2ch.
>>448 I understand here are loads aficus and they annoys you now for real.
Unyou board has been used for 2ch administration since 2ch was born. FOX used to escaping here and making new boards for the same reason. That results only Fox fun boys followed him and made the mental distance between admin and 2ch users.
My concern is that you start purseing FOX before. 2ch has a place of free speech in Japan.
I would like you to endure these suckers and stay here and administrate all 2ch matters instead of pink, siberia and other boards.
The existence of aficus here show us they have some troubles. We can use these samples. Are they screaming? Are they happy? are they angry? is this effective?
I know you told me you did not like this bord name coz of mares. Just change the name whatever you like.
アレな訳だが通じるだろうか >>382>>385 says Otome-gumi, the regulating volunteer groups had limited authorities to be stopping running commentary assosiated with a particular server(ex. hayabusa only) in the past might be required again.
2ch operational information tentatively thread to talk with Jim because the rough Could you please to BBS_JP_CHECK = 200 the http://qb5.2ch.net/operate? Has the effect to make hesitate to write only a little to people having to worry about the IP exposed to since the detailed prefecture name to display in this set And I think Jim's less likely to come to a thread to talk with Jim that's no good
398 名前：xerxes.maido3.net＠Apparently admin ★[] 投稿日：2014/03/04(火) 14:52:02.33 ID:??? Even if they vote for it, we won't be displaying IPs there. If you want IP display, I have seen some boards that have that rule. Please tell them to go to Siberia.
>>531 Good morning I think the Siberians would be angry if we made a total invasion of their land. We can talk here, but when it gets to full of trolls, then we just vacation in Siberia. It is the winter resort of Asia.
おわった >>604 Where did my Super Sonics go? When I was a kid my dad would take me to the Super Sonics games. This was the time of Spencer Haywood, Lenny Wilkins, Leeping Lee Winfield, Pete Cross. Why do I still remember these player names? Basket ball is an exciting sport to watch.
598 名前：Grape Ape ★[] 投稿日：2014/03/24(月) 08:30:48.83 ID:???0 >>531 Good morning I think the Siberians would be angry if we made a total invasion of their land. We can talk here, but when it gets to full of trolls, then we just vacation in Siberia. It is the winter resort of Asia.
>>615 NO. 軍事板(military board) starts doing the same application as >>34(アニメサロン-asaloon). I told them that the application was unnecessary. They are very special pretty serious!
625 名前：Grape Ape ★[] 投稿日：2014/03/24(月) 11:03:15.94 ID:???0 >>621 That is a not a tiny board. It is not huge, but not tiny. How come only 8 people voted?
637 名前：Grape Ape ★[] 投稿日：2014/03/24(月) 12:18:58.92 ID:???0 >>636 I think I understand. Like the movie Battleship, where the old sailors help bring the Missouri back into action to fight the invaders.
Hallo Jim I am http://toro.2ch.net/sake/ user. We want to change the form of ID on お酒・Bar board. We have discussed ID Display. Please change the form of ID.
We would like to start the Kohada server move tomorrow at 1 PM. I would announce this with a 924 thread on kohada if someone would be so kind as to write some proper Japanese for me. If you can make a thread with post 1 with the announcement, then I will copy that dat as a 924
FIFA World Cup is held in June. This Big Games every time causes the trouble. The invaders eats a small thread messily. We need to think of a solution for that.
>>658 We think the opinion that's interference of an opponent. Result of the discussion, it was supposed to be determined by voting. Please respect the voting result.
>>686 I suggest you to "exchange" Livejupiter for Liveuranus. When you move Livejupiter to new Kohada, Livejupiter and Liveuranus will be exist in the same server. Liveuranus is used as Livejupiter's refuge if its server is down. So each of them should be arranged into different server.
>>686 how about "tamakin"? tama means ball, and kin means golden. so tamakin means goledn ball , which is one of the most worthful and precious items for Japanese. We Japanese all think everyone have goldenball in our mind and this is important a loadmap of our lives.
About malicious attackers. It has been discussed many times before. ID, IP, NGword, and other. I thought deeply...
Improvement of Ninpocho. Or, Improvement of the operation of the Ninpocho.
Do not you think this is a good idea?
Ninpocho has been criticized frequently. However, Ninpocho is an excellent system.
Ninpocho is possible to regulate the only bad guy. It is the greatest benefit of Ninpocho. But, it has not been operational so far. I think that mottinai.
It is sabotage by the opponents of forced ID. They are trying to maintain the status quo by interfering with the application and vote. Has been ruined everything in writing one we actually.
We have been discussing this problem for months. We were doing our discussion well. This vote has agreed for the user. Then favor became a majority vote. Please respect the voting results.
>>658 In fact, opponents proposed the vote is to interfere with the vote. Now he has a confession with the intention of became a hero in autonomy thread.
To all of you guys that are picking Orpheus, please wait a while. I want to use that name but not on this coming server. Livejupiter will not be moving to the replacement server for Kohada. When we move Livejupiter, then that server will be Orpheus.
744 名前：Grape Ape ★[] 投稿日：2014/03/24(月) 16:30:12.30 ID:???0 To all of you guys that are picking Orpheus, please wait a while. I want to use that name but not on this coming server. Livejupiter will not be moving to the replacement server for Kohada. When we move Livejupiter, then that server will be Orpheus.
749 名前：Grape Ape ★[] 投稿日：2014/03/24(月) 16:42:51.44 ID:???0 >>746 No, the kohada server replacement will not be Orpheus. I decided not to move Livejupiter to the Kohada replacment. I am sorry for the English.
These responses avg. before and after this change, it is reduced from 1540 to 950 (40% down). I seems many people went away, and I'm worried it to go worse.
>>757 Please discuss it more. Maybe your trolls went away. New people will come with less trolls. Let's give it some time to see the results. You just updated it.
1. (>>633) Jim-san, I spread the news that 2 channel might be promoting copyright infringement. 2. (>>642) Jim-san, you must speak about this for yourself! You encourage copyright abuses!? 3. (>>652) Hiroyuki used to tolerated us using 2 channel properties. Folks have rights to know.
I'm not sure about his conculusion… but… it smells… seberian issues?
Tamakin It means testicle in Japanese. They're gonna its name in the harassment. Orpheus,karasawa,ogasawara and so on I do not want to use such a server.
I have been reading through looking for server name suggestions. I see this several times. Ogasawara Ogasawara.2ch.net? Is that good? It's a world heritage.
Good evening, Sir! Sir General Jim, The army board at toro server is under operation "bbs-force-id-Evaluation" Sir! The operation is expected to run till 2014/April/18, Sir! Voting for approval and status change of bbs-force-id from 'experement' to 'approved' is to be held at 2014/April/19 to 2014/April/25 Sir! Vote is to be casted between "Forced-ID"（強制ID） OR "Opt-in-ID"（任意ID）, this is a army board attempt to resolve the matter, and we would like approval for performing the vote, sir!
We request support from Command and controll center for
to notify all personel in the army board, Sir! This is absolutly required in order to complete the experement, as during the vote at 軍事板 ID試験導入に関する投票 http://kohada.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/vote/1393946612/ 賛成(Agree)：37 反対(Against)：2 ---------------- board consensus was to resolve the matter as a 2 stage process, voting (intorduce change or not) -> evaluation (1 month) -> voting (here to stay, or revert back). We are currently at the evaluation stage, Sir! If everything goes well, voting will be performd to decide whether the change is here to stay, or it should be reverted back.
Operation will be commenced, following support form the C2, Banzai！
>>846 Most Japanese people love tamakin. If the name of the server are determined to tamakin, PV will increase definitely. As a result, there is no doubt that advertising revenue will increase. We are looking forward to your knowledgeable decision.
>>875,878 Maybe we should have 2 votes. One vote between gods and dictators, then the vote for the name from the list. >>875 Please name your favorite dictators. Mine are Sulla, and Dionysius. Sulla was an official dictator of Rome. He brought Rome back from bankruptcy and when Rome was prosperous again, he stepped down, and died a happy old man. Dionysius was a Greek dictator in Sicily.
>>860 >>863 Yes Sir! General Jim-san! Sir, Could the field troops receive backup? Troops in the toro server,army board camp need signal. BBS_NONAME_NAME=名無し三等兵＠ID設定投票日4/19-25自治スレ Some have gone MIA, under heavy fire from enemy (work), we need to gather personnel at pickup point 4/19-25 Sir!
>>879 lol That will be exciting. Kim Jong Wn Server died ★２
>>882 Sulla finished Roman republic in a sence or the republic was ineluctable to die.
The image of the dictator now sounds -ve unlike roman republic thks to United States.
huum I love Augustus who is not dictator at first but construct to Imperator systems. He is not gifted general and is discretion to acquire superpower by inches like finding a piece in a puzzle.
>>902 Augustus was not really a dictator, he was an emperor. He was arguably the best emporor the Romans had. His legions did defeat Mark Antony and Cleopatra.
>>895 General Jim Good morning. I am ID experimenter officer of army board. 877 >> 890 >> Liaison Officer that we have sent to you Did gentleman? That's my concern. Because there needs to be a gentleman officer.
We are grateful to General Jim. You gave me the opportunity to us.
Request from the Liaison Officer of our BBS_NONAME_NAME=名無し三等兵＠ID設定投票日4/19-25自治スレ (John-Doe @ ID-evaluation-voting-will-be-performed-during-19th-to-25th-at-board-policy-thread ) Can not ask the General other than.
This is also within the scope of the experiment.
However, the conclusion. I will follow the General Jim. If it is your instruction, we will charge even if there is no support.
＞398 名前：xerxes.maido3.net＠Apparently admin ★[] 投稿日：2014/03/04(火) 14:52:02.33 ID:??? ＞Even if they vote for it, we won't be ＞displaying IPs there. If you want IP ＞display, I have seen some boards that ＞have that rule. Please tell them to go to ＞Siberia.
If IP becomes displayed compulsory, posting will decrease, never increase. As the result, the boards will decrease in population and message like Machi BBS.
It's reasonable to ask Jim-san to stop restriction. However, to force many unrestricted people to display IP just for the sake of few restricted people is quite self-centered idea. Moreover, you can buy Ronin, the tool which makes able to write even under restriction.
>>961 says "What's the problem of decrease of posting. Dose that decrease advertisement income?"
Reading that, I cannot help getting surprised, since it is too obvious. The decrease of posting leads not only to the depopulation of posting people but also the people who visit the boards to read.(>>948 also points out that) Who the hell wants to put advertisement on such boards where so few people visit.
4/19-25 vote is decisive battle. Before that, unresolved issues is one.
>>895 Request from the Liaison Officer of our "BBS_NONAME_NAME=名無し三等兵＠ID設定投票日4/19-25自治スレ" (John-Doe @ ID-evaluation-voting-will-be-performed-during-19th-to-25th-at-board-policy-thread) ↑ This is dismissed? Or approval?
If it is rejected, then. We write the publicity to active threads of all. For all soldiers as possible. And as soon as possible.
Now, General Jim busy for the new server. I understand it. We do not care reply even if it becomes slow. We are waiting.
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